There are certain characteristics and mental attitudes which cause about
20% of Man to be against any betterment activity or group. Such people are
known to have anti-social tendencies.
When the laws and political life of a country come
to a point, where such personalities can easily advance and reach high
positions, the constructive and decent organizations of that country
become suppressed. Barbarism, suppression, criminality within and outside
government follow. The economy becomes one-sided and honest, hardworking
people can hardly make it. Criminal behavior is what succeeds and gets
rewarded. Crimes and criminal acts are committed or accepted by
In a suppressive society criminal
behavior, inside and outside
government, is what succeeds
and gets rewarded
Insane patients in institutions can routinely
have their psychotic break traced back to contact with such personalities.
Insane patients in institutions
can routinely have their
psychotic break traced back to
contact with such personalities.
It is thus important to be able to recognize and
isolate such a personality type. You may sometimes find them in high
government positions, in the police force, in the courts, in health care
and in the field of mental health. At this time they remain relatively
undetected and free to do harm by covert and overt means.
It is estimated that as much as 20% of any
population fall into this category. But furthermore it is estimated, that
only about 2.5% of this group (or 0.5% meaning 1 in 200) is truly
dangerous. The 0.5% are known as Suppressive Persons (SP's). The remaining
19.5% are known as Potential Trouble Sources (PTS). Depending of the
degree and type of PTS'ness, PTS'es can usually be processed if you
recognize their condition and actually handle it head on.
A straw-man is somebody
posing as an SP. They may
cause a lot of trouble but
usually do not belong to
the hard-core 0.5%, but
still mean "trouble" = PTS.
It would thus be a doable task to protect society
and individuals from the destructive acts and effects of such individuals,
especially the 0.5% group (the SP's - often called the 21/2 percent'ers).
Isolating or handle this little group with justice would cause the
situation and the PTS individuals to cool off and destimulate.
History is full of examples of
suppressive regimes. They use
fear and terror to their advantage.
High officials committing crimes,
taking bribes or close their eyes
become the order of the day; but
usually their 'success' is short-lived.
(Picture: Josef Stalin)
Well known historic examples of anti-social
personalities would include Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein and numerous
other dictators; and infamous criminals such as Al Capone, Jack the
Ripper, and other serial-killers, etc. You will see their deeds - big and
small - in any daily newspaper; you watch movies about them and so on. You
will often see totalitarian regimes and organizations bent towards this
behavior. But although you can find all these clear examples you must not
overlook the real point here, that anti-social personalities exist in real
life and they are very often hard to detect.
Anti-socials exist in
real life and they are
often hard to detect.
If you were to trace the causes for failing
businesses and enterprises you will often enough find an anti-social
person right in the middle of it and hard at work. In other human
tragedies, such as families breaking up or constructive efforts fail and
come to nothing, you will usually find an anti-social personality was at
work. If life is becoming rough or your hard work comes to nothing, where
good health and happiness seem to loose, the trained observer will be able
to detect one or more such anti-social person working at it.
In the middle of a failing
business you will often find
an anti-social person hard
at work, but he can
be hard to detect.
Since 80% of the population try to get along and
make a go of it and only 20% seem to work against this it would be of
great benefit to us to be able to clearly identify such people. It would
save us a lot of hardship and help to prevent failure and misery. So what
is exactly the characteristics and attributes of the anti-social
We have a list of 12 main characteristics and attributes to describe and
identify the anti-social personality with. These applies mainly to
Suppressive Persons, but Potential Trouble Sources may display them in
greater or lesser degree:
The anti-social deals
mainly in bad news.
1. An anti-social person deals mainly in bad news.
He or she comes with critical or hostile remarks, invalidates and
generally suppresses people around him. Also, you will rarely find such a
person pass on good news or give compliments.
2. Such a person speaks only in generalities.
"They say ..." "They all think..."
"Everybody knows..." etc., etc. are used routinely,
especially when passing on rumors. "Gossip head" or
"bringer of evil or bad news" or "rumor-fabricator"
often describes such a person. If you confront such a person with,
"Who is everybody?" or track down a rumor it usually turns out
to be just one person at work. The anti-social person made up what he or
she pretended to be the only or dominating opinion of society or a group.
They usually see society at large as a hostile generality, which is set
against the anti-social in particular, so the above activities come about
They speak in generalities
and deal in bad
news and starting rumors.
3. The anti-social person typically alters to the
worse any message going through him or her. Good news are stopped and only
bad news, often made worse, are passed on. Such a person may even
"pass on bad news" which were in fact invented to make the PTS
person or others feel bad.
Receiving any form
of therapy terrifies
4. A truly anti-social person does not respond to
treatment, processing, reform or psychotherapy. It terrifies him.
associates are often ill and
'crippled' with little success.
5. Around such a personality you will find ill and
'humble' friends and associates. They will typically behave in a crippled
manner. They will be seen to fail in life; any little success is
The PTS associates make
troubles for others. They are
more noisy and visible than
the anti-social. The SP is
often invisible, but active
behind the scenes.
Such associates of an anti-social make trouble for
others. When they are treated or educated, they have no stability of gain
but promptly relapse or lose their advantages of knowledge. They are under
the suppressive influence of the truly anti-social.
Treated medically, such associates commonly do not recover in the expected
time but can get worse or have a poor and long recovery time. It is quite
useless to treat or help or train such persons as long as they remain
under the influence of the anti-social person.
The largest group of insane are insane because of such anti-social
connections. They do not recover easily for the same reason. Oddly enough
we rarely see the anti-social personality institutionalized. Only his
"friends" and family are there.
The anti-social will pick
the wrong target or
blame the wrong cause.
A flat tire
"is the cat's fault".
6. The anti-social personality routinely picks the
wrong target or blames the wrong cause.
If a tire is flat from driving over a nail, he or she blames a passenger,
the cat or some other irrelevant 'cause' for the problem. If the TV won't
turn on he blames it on whoever is present instead of checking if it is
plugged in and in good repair. He routinely blames any mishap or failure
on others instead of finding the cause.
Anti-socials cannot finish
cycles of action. As a result
their quarters and equipment
are often found in a mess.
7. Anti-social's cannot finish a cycle of action.
They routinely become surrounded with incomplete projects. As a result you
will often find their homes and equipment or office in a mess and in bad
repair (types of unfinished cycles may however vary so the above is just a
Anti-socials have a low
sense of responsibility
8. As the police knows, many anti-social persons
will have no trouble with confessing to alarming crimes when forced to do
so, but they will have no sense of responsibility. They see their actions
as having little to do with their own intentions or actions. It "just
They have no sense of correct causation and especially cannot feel any
guilt, shame or responsibility for what happened.
Ku-Klux-Klan originally came
out of the US Civil War
(1861-65). But they soon
developed into a very racial
and very suppressive group
against any civil rights,
except their own.
9. The anti-social personality supports only
destructive groups and attacks or rages against any constructive or
10. This type of personality approves only of
destructive actions and fights against constructive or helpful actions or
activities. People defending a good cause or creative people will often be
like a magnet for anti-social personalities who see in their work
something which must be covertly destroyed. The anti-social may pose
"as a friend", but try to poison and destroy.
Activities that destroy in the
name of 'help' are supported.
11. True help of others can drive the anti-social
person up the wall. Activities which destroy in the name of 'help', on the
other hand, are warmly supported.
"Ownership is an idea
made up to fool people"
12. The anti-social personality has a bad sense of
ownership. To him nothing is ever really owned. Ownership is an idea just
made up to fool people.
The Basic Reason
The basic reason the anti-social personality behaves as he or she does is
due to a hidden terror of others.
Such a person sees every other individual as an enemy. They see others as
enemies that covertly or overtly should be destroyed.
To them good survival depends on keeping others down or keeping them
If they hear about programs seeking to make others stronger or brighter,
the anti-social personality sees it as a personal danger and will fight
They see it as they would be much better off if people around them were
weak, obedient, fearful and stupid. It would be seen as an immediate
threat to their survival if others got stronger or brighter.
To the anti-social 'good
survival' consist of keeping
others down, weak
Such a person has no trust in others. They are
terrified of them. They usually cover this up in clever ways and it can be
hard to pinpoint or detect.
When such a personality goes insane the world is full of
Extra-terrestrials. The police or the Marcabians (a type of
extra-terrestrials) have built in radio-transmitters in his and everybody
else's heads and listen in.
But most of such people do not show obvious signs of insanity. They can
function in society and appear to be quite rational. They can be very
convincing about their motives. On the surface they may appear to be solid
The 12 points above are things which such a
personality cannot detect in himself or herself. This is so true that if
you thought you found yourself in one of the above categories you can now
relax. Self-criticism is a luxury the anti-social cannot afford. The last
thing he will see or admit to is his own shortcomings. He must be
right all the time. They see themselves as being in constant danger. If
you proved such a person wrong, you might even cause him or her to become
severely ill. Only the sane and well-balanced person tries to correct his
conduct and see other people's views.
Through Search & Discovery
the SP's on the case can be located.
To do so and handle or disconnect
will give the pc great relief.
The first thing in handling anything is to know about it. The second is to
be willing and able to confront it. Using the data of the PTS tech you can
be given a proper search for and discovery of hard core suppressive
persons in your past that you have known and dealt with. If you then
recognize their bad influence and disconnect, you will experience great
deal of relief.
In society, if it were to recognize this personality type as a sick being,
they could isolate them as they do with people with contagious diseases.
This would result in a social and economic recovery for society at large.
Things are not likely to really improve when 20% of the population is
permitted to dominate and damage the remaining 80%.
As democracy and majority rule is the preferred political system at his
age, this would be a natural next step: Majority sanity should rule our
daily lives without giving power to the few to destroy or unsettle the
rest of society.
The worst thing about this situation is, anti-socials will not allow
others to help or effectively treat them. The sad fact is that they do not
respond well to treatment, even when this is attempted.
Suppression and Entheta
Anti-social persons use and speak entheta. Entheta
means "Enturbulated thought or life. This is especially destructive
communications based on lies and confusions in an attempt to overwhelm or
suppress a person or group. Entheta has no power in itself but feed on
theta in a parasitic fashion.
This is an important datum as it is often the PTS person that
"feeds" the SP terminal. Thus by working with the PTS person you
can find out what he is doing to fuel the situation and have him change
that. In some instances disconnection is the only workable option. You cut
the feed-line completely and the entheta will stop.
Social Persons are best
recognized by their products and
effects over a period of time.
The Social Personality
Man is prone to witch hunting. The above 12 points can certainly lead to
that. From a technical viewpoint you don't need to call the terminals you
handle on a pc for Anti-social Personalities or Suppressive Persons. Often
enough they are not. Yet they have to be handled with PTS tech to help the
pc. Since a basic structure of the Bank is said to be terminals confronted
by opposition terminals (GPM's)
it can be hard to always sort out what is happening. In life SP's will
dramatize being opposition terminals to the pc and try to do him in.
"Life imitates art" you could say. Just about any story has good
guys and bad guys in it. These types of battles have been happening for
eons in real life and this kind of Chain of incidents with terminals
and opposition terminals are on the pc's Time Track as well. So a big
factor to consider in any PTS action is the restimulation of opposition
terminals in the pc's Bank. Usually it is a combination of the two: (1)
actual opposition, threat or suppression in the present and (2) the
restimulation it causes. We have chosen to stay out of this heated
debate of good and evil, and judging people from second hand knowledge by
introducing the term Antagonistic
Terminal (AT) as a technical term. An AT is simply a person or group
that, to be correctly handled on the case, has to be addressed with
PTS tech. Period. We would estimate that 90% of all the PTS handlings done
are actually on terminals, where the dominant factor is the restimulation
or the pc's own inability to deal with opposition, antagonism, or radical
different points of view. After all this is no easy matter and is the one
element all conflicts have in common. By far the highest percentage of
handlings has to do with family members. A dominant spouse or parent is
the most common. Pc's often feel it is an overt of magnitude to call
family members for anti-social or suppressive. Sometimes they are. In many
cases they are not.
A witch hunt is easy to start. All you have to do
is to call the "people wearing black hats" for the villains and
you can start a hunt for people in black hats.
But this mechanism of witch hunting makes it very easy for anti-social
persons to bring about chaos or a dangerous environment. The Spanish
Inquisition, McCarthy's blacklisting of 'communists' in the 1950s in USA,
'Ethnic cleansing' of Nazi Germany or Yugoslavia are just a few
examples of this. No one was safe and these things were very suppressive
But even the anti-social personality, in his
twisted way, is quite certain that he is acting for the best. The witch
hunter is commissioned by God. He will often see himself as the only good
person around: "I am trying to do what is right; God's Will! It's for
the good of everyone". The only thing that is wrong about his
thinking is that there are dead bodies all around. He is often so thorough
that no one is left alive to be protected from these imagined evils. His conduct
over a period of time - towards other people, towards his duties and
work, and the products and effects he produces are the only
reliable indicators to determine his social character. It is the only
reliable method to detect whether an individual is an anti-social or a
social personality. Their motivation for self are similar:
self-preservation and survival. If you just listen to them you may not be
able to hear much difference in their explanations. They simply go about
doing things in radical different ways.
As Man in his current state is neither calm nor brave; anyone can be
nervous and be on the lookout for dangerous persons. He may think he sees
such persons over there in the black hats and a witch hunt can begin.
It is therefore even more important to identify the
social personality than the anti-social personality. By doing so you avoid
to shoot the innocent out of mere prejudice or dislike or because of some
short misconduct or dramatization.
Do a Comparison
The social personality can best be defined by comparison with his
opposite, the anti-social personality.
It is very easy when you compare to see the difference. No test for
finding anti-social persons should ever be used without checking both
sides. As so many other things in ST it is a scale. On the same scale we
must have the upper and lower ranges of Man's actions.
A test that declares only anti-social personalities without also being
able to identify the social personality would actually be a suppressive
test. It would be like answering "Yes" or "No" to the
question "Are you still possessed by Satan?" Anyone who answered
it could be found guilty. That is how witch hunting is done. While this
method worked for the Inquisition, it does not make a valid test.
Society functions only through the efforts and work
of social people. These are the people that must be recognized and given
rights and freedoms. One danger in publishing a list as the above is, that
anti-social people somehow will be able to fit their enemies among good
people into one or more of the categories and 'run them out of town'.
As society functions, prospers and improves solely
through the hard work of social personalities, one must know them as they,
not the anti-social, are the worthwhile people. These are the people
who must have rights and freedoms. Attention is given to the anti-social
solely to protect and assist the social personalities in the society.
All democratic efforts, educational and cultural programs and even the
human race itself will fail unless one can identify and hold back the
anti-social personalities and help and forward the social personalities in
society. For the very word "society" implies social conduct and
without it there is no society at all, only a dog-eats-dog barbarism.
You will note in the characteristics of the
anti-social personality that intelligence is not a point. They can be
bright, stupid or average. Thus anti-socials who are very intelligent can
rise to high positions, even heads-of-state.
Ability or wish to rise above others are not a sign of being anti-social.
When they do become important people or rise to power they can become very
visible because of the consequences of their acts. But they can be
unimportant people, house tyrants, wife beaters, small crooks, thieves and
losers, spokesmen or supporters of bad causes, do 'science' to control and
kill his fellow man or whatever. Usually, if you deal with an SP of some
status, you will find one hard core anti-social and a crowd of imitators
and supporters such as in a suppressive regime or organization.
The twelve given characteristics alone is what can be used to identify the
You have to do a comparison
back and forth ('black and white')
and inspect actual products,
actions, records and personal
history in order to determine
the true social nature of a person.
The same 12 characteristics reversed are the only
criteria of the social personality.
The identification of an anti-social personality cannot be done accurately
unless one also at the same time reviews the positive side of his
All persons under stress can react with moments of anti-social conduct.
This does not make them anti-social personalities.
The true anti-social person has a majority of anti-social characteristics.
He has a track record of this. Positive identification takes solid
evidence. But if you sit down with a person and there is no way he will
reform his behavior because 'I am 100% right in doing what I am doing',
you know that you have an individual that is beyond a momentary upset or
lapse. This is no proof either, unless that's how it is point for point
and rather consistently.
The social personality has a majority of social
Thus one must examine the good with the bad before one can truly label the
anti-social or the social.
In reviewing such matters, very broad testimony and evidence are best. One
or two isolated instances determine nothing. One should search all twelve
social and all twelve anti-social characteristics and decide on the basis
of actual evidence, not opinion.
The twelve primary characteristics of the social personality are as
1. A social personality passes communication without much alteration and
if they change anything they tend to delete bad news or present things in
a more positive light.
They use positive and
2. The social personality uses specifics when describing things.
"John Blow said..." "The News Magazine wrote..." He
gives sources of data when important or possible.
He may use generalities as "they" or "people" but will
readily be specific when asked who said so. They do not use generalities
to hide behind or to upset people.
The social person uses specifics
(such as statistics) to make his points.
He is more interested in making
others feel good than being critical.
3. The social personality is happy to pass on good news and hesitate in
passing on bad news.
He may not even want to pass on criticism when it doesn't matter.
He is more interested in making others feel liked or wanted. He may err
toward comforting and reassure people rather than use criticism. He does
not like to hurt people's feelings. He sometimes errs in holding back bad
news or orders when they seem critical or harsh.
4. Treatment, reform and psychotherapy, even in a
light form, work very well on the social personality.
The anti-social may promise to reform, but nothing changes. Only the
social personality can change or improve easily. It is often enough to
point out unwanted conduct to a social personality. He will see the truth
of it and turn things around. Criminal codes and violent punishment are
not needed to regulate social personalities. Such punishment may restrain
anti-socials, on the other hand, but are not seen to change their
conduct except based on fear.
The social personality
responds well to treatment
and will recover quickly
when given correct care.
5. The associates of a social personality tend to
be well, happy and of good morale.
A truly social personality quite often produces betterment in health or
fortune by his mere presence and influence. He never reduces the health or
morale in his associates.
The social personality heals well and will recover rather easily from
illness. He accepts and responds well to proven treatment.
The social person can see
the cause of things and
correct them, if wrong,
without a lot of fuss.
6. The social personality can see the causes of
things and select correct targets for correction. He fixes the tire that
is flat rather than attack the passenger or kick the cat. If the TV
doesn't work he checks if it is plugged in and in good repair.
7. Cycles of action begun are usually completed by
the social personality, if possible. He tends to have his personal things
in working order as he does not abandon them mid air.
8. The social personality is ashamed of his overts
and has to overcome himself to confess them. He takes responsibility for
9. The social personality supports constructive
groups and tends to protest or resist destructive groups.
10. Destructive actions are protested by the social
personality. He assists constructive or helpful actions.
11. The social personality helps others and
actively resists acts which harm them.
The social person is 'the good
cop', trying to maintain order,
actions and theft.
12. Property is property of someone to the social
personality. He respects personal property of others. He is against misuse
The social personality is motivated by the greatest good. He has a natural
sense of ethics and what is right and wrong.
He does not feel haunted by imagined enemies but he does recognize real
enemies when they are facing him.
The social personality wants to survive and wants others to
survive. Here is a major difference; the anti-social personality really
covertly wants 'others to fail so he can survive'. His world is a
'dog-eat-dog' kind of world where only the meanest survive.
Basically the social personality wants others to be happy and do well. The
anti-social, on the other hand, is very clever in doing others in and make
A key point to understanding all this is not to get fixated upon a
person's outward signs of success, but examine his basic motivations. You
see some anti-socials amass great fortunes through suppression and crime.
The social personality, when successful, will often be a target for the
anti-social. He will seek out weak points or gain his confidence in order
to make him fail.
So there can be great benefits to accurately
determine the social intent of people. If you can detect the social
personality and protect his rights and allow him to work and if you can
detect the anti-social person and restrain him, society will prosper. If
not, society will keep suffering from insanity, criminal acts and
Unless we realize and correctly apply the true
characteristics of the two types of personalities, we will continue to
live in an uncertainty of who our enemies are.
All men have committed acts of violence or omission for which they could
be criticized, attacked or punished. In all Mankind there is not one
single perfect human being. And if there was one, there would be about 5
billion different opinions about it.
But there are those who try to do right and those who specialize in wrong.
How a Suppressive Person Becomes One
The above text talks about the Anti-social personality and that this type
of personality makes up as much of 20% of the population. But what is of
special interest is the 2.5% group of this. These are the suppressive
persons (SPs). Since Man is basically good, how come the SP seems to fall
outside this? The best explanation is contained in ST Level 4 where we
covered Service Computations and Evil Purposes. Studying that gives good
insight in the reason why. But here are some definitions and data to
An SP is 'solving' a present time
which hasn't in actual fact existed for ages
in most cases. Yet he is acting upon it in
present time to 'solve' that problem. The
guy is totally stuck in a past incident and
thinks it is present time
Suppressive Person, 1. He's
solving a present time problem which hasn't in actual fact existed for the
last many trillion of years in most cases. Yet he is acting upon it
in present time to solve that problem. The guy is totally stuck in a past
incident and thinks it is present time; that is the whole anatomy of
psychosis. 2. He covertly tries to destroy or speak bad about any
effort to help anybody. He is violently opposed to anything intended to
make human beings more powerful or intelligent. A suppressive automatically
and immediately will oppose any betterment activity, calling it evil or
bad. 3. the person is in a mad, desperate situation of some past
incident and is "handling it" by committing overt acts today.
So it is somebody who will overtly or covertly work
against the auditor and the auditing. The handling of such a person is
outside the scope of Standard Clearing Technology. The tech may hold the
key, but it takes more resources and can cause more upsets, attacks and
lawsuits than you are prepared for. They are considered to make up only
about 0.5% of the general population (per above). They should not be
accepted for auditing. The actual percentage and a truly objective,
reliable and practical doable test has never been developed, so in many
respects it is a two edged sword. "Handle with care", but if you
see it, don't fool yourself. A test could possibly be developed. It would
have to be based on production records, life history, and affiliations
over a long period of time. To try to develop a clinical test based on
questionnaires, mental testing, and interviews inevitably leads to witch
Evil has an appeal to us. From
childhood and on. We have
these images of evil characters,
that we usually don't act upon.
To act it out in play is of course
fine. It is a degree of confront.
To get stuck in one unknowingly
is how a person becomes an SP.
From Good to Evil
How evil can take over was explained this way by R. Hubbard in a
It might interest you how a suppressive person
becomes one. That is the guy who has enough overts to deserve more
pay-back than you can imagine. It is the guy, who keeps doing things to do
others in. He's the villain. Now the reason he got to be such a bad boy
was by switching valences.
He had a bad boy over there parked in his mind;
and he then, in some peculiar way, got into that bad boy's valence. Now he
knows what he is - he's a bad boy. Man is basically good but he mocks-up
evil valences and then gets inside them and gets stuck in them. He says
the other fellow is bad. He keeps saying the other fellow is bad. He works
on this character all the time as something not to be. And
eventually he has got this very live character all made up in his mind.
Then some day he becomes this other fellow. You see, a valence shift or
personality shift happens - he becomes the whole, complete package of
personality. And there he is. So now he is an evil fellow. He knows how he
is supposed to act. He is supposed to act like the other fellow, the bad
character. That's the switch-over. That's how evil comes into being.
(Covered in SH Briefing 73, 1966).
Dr. Frankenstein couldn't confront his
Monster and it took over. If he had
been able to confront it, he could have
controlled it. The price of freedom is to
be willing to fight evil and rise above it.
So the key to handling evil is to be able to
confront it in the first place.
That is what went wrong with the guy described in
the piece above. The person who couldn't confront evil, but only mock it
up as something not to be, eventually gave up and became it. He was
Not-is'ing, hating and detesting it. He was holding onto this evil
personality package in his mind as something not to be; and suddenly it
had become so powerful so he became it. It simply took over.
This is how the Reactive Mind 'works'. It warns you
against danger on a stimulus-response level and you don't want to look at
those terrible things. Suddenly it has become so powerful so you have no
choice but living it.
There are of course degrees of this. A complete
switch does not happen out of the blue, just because of one incident. But
sometimes one powerful incident suddenly does it and the pc is stuck in
that incident. Long before it happens, the person simply withholds
himself. But when you pull overts and withholds you are preventing
something like this from happening down the road. You are getting the pc's
ability to confront evil up. The 'demons' (evil valences) in his mind will
loose power. He will regain power over them and the basic goodness of Man
will prevail in his conduct and thinking.
Pick Your Fights
The focus of the PTS tech included in this manual is the pc and how to
make him auditable. We are not trying to say, that you always have to
appease enemies or evil persons. As we are touching upon the age old
conflict between good and evil it is a very hot and opinionated subject.
We are only saying "pick your fights" and as far as auditing is
concerned you want to keep the pc out of hot waters and make him stronger
first of all. This is best done on a gradient scale. Therefore the PTS
tech as applied here is not the ultimate answer to how to deal with evil
but simply a practical guide to get your pc audited. If your pc's ultimate
goal is to become capable of taking on all evil in the world head on in a
final glorious battle and win - more power to him. The PTS tech presented
would still be a good starting point to make him strong enough to do that.