Subject: Some responses Date: 21 Apr 2000 15:39:33 -0000 From: LRH@anon.org Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello again, With getting used to remailers and PGP and all that its easier if I posts a few replies at once. "AMI" wrote: > >If indeed you are truly LRH, a fair number of people will need to >put their hand in your side. But if you are, welcome back indeed. Thank you. >How do you view the controversy regarding 6 month sec checks on OT >VII? > The sec checks should only really occur where a Pre-OT is not progressing well. But then there seems to be a situation going where they get into a grind on NOTs. They are pulling off entities and pulling off entities and feel like they are making gains but you don't see a lot of change happening in the person's life and conditions. So what you've got is someone who has expanded their space and responsibility and new overts come into view. If these aren't taken up then the person is going to have problems with entities in the valences of those against whom the overts were committed. It may be that they are looking in the wrong areas for overts - OTs on NOTs will be hitting into whole track responsibility so asking them about this lifetime stuff really isn't going to hit it. There's also a factor of validating entities too much as I talked about back in the days of the PDC. One needs to shift the PC around to cause from time to time - properly run sec checks will do that. Misownership coming up too much is mostly out TRs. The auditor should be looking at the PC when he asks the questions - that way he impinges on the Pre-OT not the entity banks. "Raymond J. Krenik, Jr." wrote: >Ron, > I think you should re-read a few of your own 1965 policies. In > >particular one that mentions us exiting from the top and becoming >the islands which will become the sea. Orgs. indeed, infiltrated >and squirreling big time from the top down. Wing Angell used to >know them all by heart from what Refugio told me. > We have better Tech. outside the Orgs. > "Snake" would probably tell you to show this bulletin (20 April > 2000, >EXCALIBUR), to "Sweeney"! What happened to "All life is created >reactively!"? >Ray Krenik Hi Ray, Well quite a few things can happen to Scientologists between lives, as you would know. Some have carried on researching and have found parts of the upper bridge. Their number is small and those applying the materials are few. What they are lacking is organizations to support their efforts and to build up the environment around them. Training is missing. Back in the 60s I had a vision of a shorter bridge. It wasn't until the late 70s that the enormity of the task really hit me. I tried to build up a strong group of auditors to deliver Super Power and found that I had to create a whole new section of the bridge just to get their TRs in. The islands that one could became are 7th dynamic and the sea the 8th. There is no short jump. Each of the dynamics and their interactions must be examined. One has to look from the lower dynamics up and from the upper dynamics down. Most of the charge can only be encompassed by a God but the located viewpoint also retains charge unless one looks up at the God who is oneself from one's mortality. So its somewhat of a bootstrapping job blowing off charge from the top and switching back to view things from the ground up. Trying to jump up to that 8 dynamic state without handling the lower dynamic charge had send one up a pole. The fall is often pretty unpleasant. edrhett wrote: >Ron, > >If that is really you, then welcome back. I will be watching the >Church of Scientology to see if it really does change. Once burned, >twice shy. > >I know that the upper bridge is very important, but many people, >myself included, got bushwhacked by "Ethics" before we really got >started on the bridge. For us there is no upper bridge until the >lower bridge is corrected. I will be watching to see if people are >allowed to train and co-audit without interference from "Ethics". >This is probably the only thing I will be looking for, because I see >it as the only way to go up the bridge without going into a >condition of treason against the human race. Maybe I am >overreacting, but that was, and is, my postulate. > >Good luck, Ron. You have your work cut out for you. Thanks. What I left behind, rather rapidly thrown together, was a structure that would keep things going for a few years without a Goal Finder. A bit like leaving a mind running on automatic without its thetan. It was bound to run into problems of too much authority and enforcement. I think you'll see the real changes when Super Power is available to staffs. As they clean up their own injustices on all flows so they'll loosen up on others. "AMI" wrote: >I hope you are going to post the upper OT levels too! The first to have a stable group through the Briefing Course will have the pilot project for the upper levels. They only exist in rough form at the moment and need smoothing out in application. I really can't see that happening outside the Church at the moment. I gave a lecture late in '59 about individuation. That's what has happened outside the Church. The top people don't have auditors with the presence to clean up their O/Ws. Heidrun Beer wrote: >On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:22:25 -0400 (EDT), The Apprentice wrote in ><38fe1a0f.15814715@nntp.lightlink.com>: > >>Hey, guys, does anybody know WTF is it??? LRH reincarnated (laugh)? >> There is really no such thing as reincarnation. The truth is that you were never anything but exterior. It would be indeed be a very sad joke were I to reincarnate. OT9 is about finding your own real magnitude as a being. It is the refound God who must audit the upper levels as an Operating Thetan above the dynamics. >>Some newborn Koos channelling his thoughts? A troll from critics? A >>spam from the Church (unbelievable)? Just someone's joke? > >Good question! Maybe somebody who read my group-consciousness >material? I have a nearly identical statement in the chapter >on failed connection attempts, http://www.sgmt.at/gce/gce4.htm >(click "Failed Connection Attempts"). You have quite a few of the concepts there. One is single celled and multi celled and much more. I started to explain it in Excalibur with the concept of a self fighting symbiosis but the full concepts aren't really realizable until one has most of the charge off the upper dynamic GPM structures. >The next question would be: are these informations stored somewhere >in a database to which we can connect? If not, how come that they >appear in different minds at the same time? The same phenomenon >has been observed in scientific discoveries. Yes, they are stored. In the same way that there are reactive minds on all dynamic so exist analytical minds. Bill Robertson sort of touched into their nature with his material on Prime MOCOs but fell quite a bit short as they encompass all dynamics. A few, in keyed-out states, hit what they called the "Akashic Records" which are, in essence, our memories as the higher dynamics. Love, Ron -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 2.6.3 iQA/AwUBOQBlcRLi380ZwXgDEQJ56wCgtrvYmt8concm4yqy4C48NjjykhgAoK5i dqJTJqY1Nfzf13IEJJgrd3t+ =+6xq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----